1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: Aft Stateroom Vents

1960s Chris Craft boats all came with bilge vents that went through the mahogany toe rail and were capped by either stainless or chromed bronze scoops, with screens to keep bugs out. But cabinetry in the vicinity of the vents often rots out because of the way Chris Craft routed air and rainwater from the vent hole through the mahogany toe rail and deck to the bilge spaces below.

For the engine room vents, they used solid mahogany boards and pressboard for the chases. They were painted but the joints were never sealed, so water from rain and washing the boat eventually rots the pressboard and then you’ve got water streaming uncontrolled down onto your floorboards and the back of cabinetry panels.

OEM bilge vent chase…or what was left of it

My Roamer was no exception, and there was rot everywhere there was a vent when we started this refit. I fixed the problem with the engine room and transom vents by making the vent chases out of solid mahogany or 3/4″ and 1/4″ marine plywood that I’d sealed with a heavy coat of epoxy and a layer of fiberglass. There’s no way for water to find its way out of those chases until they terminate down in the bilge.

But the side vents in the aft stateroom posed a different problem. As with the engine room vent fan, Chris Craft used flexible hose for those vents and the plastic becomes inflexible over time. When the hose cracks, water falls freely onto the backside of cabinet panels and the rot begins. We essentially gutted this boat because the rot on the original cabinetry was so extensive.

Since we replaced painted OEM cabinetry with beautiful varnished mahogany, I don’t want it to suffer the same fate. So I came up with a solution (actually two solutions…one bad one and a really good one) that worked out just fine.

OEM Chris Craft bilge vent hose gave up the fight a long time ago

That hose looked more like a Slinky in spots than a hose. I’m probably dating myself with that reference…

Anyway, my first plan was to make fiberglass boxes that would act as reservoirs for small amounts of water (1-2 quarts) that came in through the vent holes, while having a clear air pathway to the bilge via solid fiberglass tubing. I figured the water would evaporate from the reservoir and rarely if ever reach the spillover point where it would fall into the bilge.

Making the ‘spillover tubes’

Installing the spillover tubes in a reservoir box

Aft stateroom reservoir boxes ready to install…back in 2015

When making the reservoir boxes, I failed to take into account the tight clearances between the underside of the deck and the side portholes in the aft stateroom, where they’d be installed. They fit in the space just fine vertically but protruded past the plane of the pretty mahogany paneling that would surround the portholes.

So I didn’t install them, and the more I thought about having a half-gallon of water suspended in a box over pretty mahogany, the less I liked my brilliant plan.

Fast forward to 2022, and I decided to scrap my reservoir vent plan

In 2016, I bought an HTP AlphaTIG 200DX and taught myself how to TIG weld stainless. My dry stack exhaust risers turned out quite nicely, and I started dabbling in TIG welding aluminum. I’ve also got quite a bit of leftover 3/16″ 5052 aluminum plate from the side deck and aft enclosure build. So a new plan started to form…

Just to orient you, the vent is above the right edge of the middle porthole, next to the closet wall

A one-liter bottle just fits

The board I’m holding up is in the same position the pretty mahogany panel needs to be in when it’s installed. The vent tube has to fit cleanly behind that.

Chris Craft just mooshed the vent hoses in by brute force. I want there to be a nice, clean fit and no stresses on paneling or anything else. Which means I’ve got just enough room for 3″ square aluminum tubing. For comparison’s sake, fiberglass tubing with the same dimensions costs roughly twice as much.

I bought a 20′ stick of 3″ square 6061 tube and started cutting

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: the Harbor Freight metal-cutting bandsaw is a great tool. I adjusted it for a 10° cut to match the underside of the deck where the vent hole is.

First test fit got hung up

I had to knock off some spray foam insulation for clearance

Nice!

Concept proved!

The vent tube will be entirely behind the 1/4″ pretty mahogany panel surrounding the portholes.

A graphic representation of a steep re-learning curve

Hey, it’s been a while since I TIG welded aluminum. You can tell the first attempted pass by all the carbon (I kept sticking the tungsten to the plate and filler) and just a ball of melted filler sitting on top of the plate. I must have resharpened that tungsten 2-3 dozen times before I finally got sort of back into the rhythm.

I practiced a few hours per day for a week with fillet welds, since that’s what I’ll do most of on this project

After one fillet (inside) and one corner (outside) pass, I cut the welds off and repeated

While waiting for the bandsaw to cut my practice pieces, I marked off the parts for cutting

The piece above will attach to the underside of the deck.

Vent tube side

Looks about right

It’s showtime!

TIG settings

I don’t weld stacks o’ dimes…more like piles of nickels, dimes, and a quarter or two

One concern I had was keeping the relatively small aluminum plate from warping from the heat. So I clamped a big 3/8″ thick section of angle to the plate to keep it flat.

Back at the boat to test fit

Looks about right

I need to trim 1-1/2″ off the right-side edge of the plate, so the tube is closer to the closet wall.

Cutting the walls of the vent box on the table saw

Mocking up the box

Looks about right

Successful mock-up test…back to the garage to weld it up

I used coils of copper wire as heat sinks to draw temp out of the small plates while welding

Tacked on eight corners

Nice pile ‘o dimes, nickels, and a quarter or two

Cutting the vent hole in the top plate

I’ll need two, one for the port vent and the other for starboard

I clamped the top plate to the 3/8″ angle to keep it flat when the heat comes on

Looking good!

Time to tack on the bottom plate and tube

Nice!

BTW, even a novice TIG welder like me can recognize a must-have piece of equipment, and you can see one of them in the picture above. That furry tube next to the TIG torch is a well-worn TIG Finger heat shield. With that on your gloved finger, you can brace your torch hand so much better because it lets you run your bracing finger right over the area you just welded. No heat comes through, and it’s slicker than a TIG glove, so even a weekend hack like me can move my torch hand along smoother than without it. I don’t make any money on this, I’m just passing on what I’ve learned and where to buy them. The seller, Jody, also has lots of youtube videos teaching welding techniques.

Next I took the vent box and tube to the boat to check fit, and confirmed the lengths and angles the additional tube sections would need to be to bring the bottom of the vent tube to bilge level.

Back at the garage, compound angle joints were necessary to follow the hull curve

Tacked up and almost ready to weld

Back at the boat for final test fit

I marked the tube with a Sharpie to indicate where a stringer was down low. I’ll weld a tab on there for a bolt so the bottom of the tube is firmly supported.

Back at the shop, the port vent tube is welded and ready to install

Next day, back at the boat I applied sealant to the vent hole and #10 screw holes

A generous bead of caulk dolloped on the vent box side

Nice!

Even better!

I’ve had these mahogany panels cut, sanded, insulated on the back side, epoxy sealed around the edges, and painted with ICA clear coat base since 2015. But I couldn’t install them until I worked out the solution to the vent problem.

Now that the problem is solved, I just have to knock out the starboard side and move on to the next major step.

I repeated the process on the starboard side

And that’s a wrap for the longstanding puzzle of what to do about those aft stateroom bilge vents. As you can tell from all the trips to the boat and back to the garage, this took many days to finally finish. And keep in mind that each trip involves an hour drive each way. I really do need to get the boat launched in October and moved to a much closer marina…

Next up in our 1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: Installing [most of] the Portholes

1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: Installing the Starboard Salon Aft Bilge Vent Duct

The repairs from the big Nor’easter damage in March are finally wrapping up. I’ll write about that soon, but in the meantime I’ve been working  on the bilge duct vents that open at the mahogany toe rail. I finally got the last duct in the salon installed. Getting these installed is essential for getting the exterior weatherproof. There are eight vents in total, so I’m half done with them!

To install the duct, I had to remove the starboard muffler

There was just enough space between the muffler platform and the aft ER bulkhead for the duct to slide in and down, then up the vent hole in the ER ceiling/salon floor panel.

The duct passes through that hole

Kinda like that!

I’m getting too old to be spending so much time inside cabinets. I’ll be very happy when this is all done.

That looks about right

It’s a bit tight at the base

You can see on the far side of the duct that rain had leaked from the original duct and rotted out a 1″ spot on the bulkhead and floor panel. That’s why my ducts all pass through the floor by a few inches and drain into the bilge. When I install the duct, I’ll wet out the rotten spot with  epoxy and fill it with wood flour-thickened epoxy.

There’s not enough room for the duct face panel

I used my Harbor Freight multitool to open up the hole in the floor to make room for the duct face panel, then removed the duct and coated the last exterior surface with white-tinted US Composites 1:1 epoxy, leaving the contact area with the floor frames bare wood. The following day, I wetted out the bare wood areas and the floor frames and plywood with epoxy. Once that was saturated, I applied wood flour-thickened epoxy to the area and slid the duct into place. Before sliding it home, I applied Sikaflex 291 LOT to the joint area on the underside of the deck.

Sikaflex files the joint and covers the toe rail screws in the area

When I sprayed foam insulation on the hull, I took care to cover all of the toe rail screws with the closed cell foam so water wouldn’t condense on them and work its way up the threads. Water plus aluminum does a bad thing to paint jobs. But I avoided putting foam in areas where I’d be installing ducts. I’m coating these screws with blobs of Sikaflex for the same purpose. I hope it works!

I went a bit nuts with the caulk

The duct is bonded to the floor frames and panels with epoxy and sealed with Sikaflex

Next, I installed the duct face panel

I’m using Sikaflex to seal all of the duct face panels in the salon. I don’t expect they’ll ever have to be removed, but if they do it’ll be easier with Sikaflex than if they were glued with epoxy.

Done!

I considered sanding the duct face and coating it with white-tinted epoxy but decided it was good enough. It’s got a heavy coat of epoxy sealing it up, and that’s what’s most important.

Next up in our 1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: Repairing the Damage from the Big 2018 Nor’easter

1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: The Starboard Salon Aft Bilge Vent Duct II

Slowly but surely, I’m getting closer to having the Roamer weatherproofed. There are eight bilge vents that exhaust through the mahogany toe rail. Three of the vent ducts are done in the salon, and I’m getting close to finishing the last one there.

The duct box is glued and screwed together

I just need to sand down the OEM sealing coat on the mahogany and it’ll be ready for fiberglass.

Fully saturate the interior and all exposed edges with epoxy

It’s always amazing to me how much resin these things soak up. Next…you guessed it…

Fillets!

I do love my fillets.

Next, I laid on the fiberglass cloth and rolled out the bubbles

I also sealed the duct face panel with a heavy coat of epoxy

Leave it and come back the next day

Next morning, trim off the excess fiberglass overhanging the edges

Not a bad looking vent duct

I decided to seal up the exterior surfaces of the duct with white tinted US Composites 635 epoxy. I’m using the 2:1, no-blush hardener for all of this. Even during the roasting hot summer, it’s got a pretty long pot life and it cures by the following morning.

I do like a heavy coat of that tinted epoxy

For places that have zero UV exposure, epoxy as a sealant and tinted top coat is a good approach.

Next day, I put a coat on the duct wall and another one on the electrical panel

That sure did turn out nice

With sticky epoxy in the salon, I got to work on some things in the V-berth. It’s been a while since I was in there, and I look forward to wrapping that room up.

Next up in our 1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: Installing the Starboard Salon Aft Bilge Vent Duct

1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: The Starboard Salon Aft Bilge Vent Duct

Repairs from the big Nor’easter damage are just about done. I’ll be writing about that soon, but while the repairs are happening I’ve been continuing the work to weatherproof the boat.

There are six bilge vent ducts that exit at the mahogany toe rail, and two more on the transom. Chris Craft used a combination of pressboard and solid mahogany boards to make the ducts in the salon and at the transom, but pressboard was a horrible choice for a place that’s directly exposed to weather and spray. Of course, Chris Craft wasn’t building the boats to last forever, and pressboard is cheap and easy to work with. It was probably a decade or more before the ducts started deteriorating, by which time the warranty had long-since run out. The problem for fans of old boats is that once the ducts deteriorate, the leaking water takes out the cabinetry and floors in the area. I’ve used a couple of approaches on the ducts, but the one I think is best has been to use the original design, but with fiberglassed and epoxy sealed 1/4″ marine plywood instead of pressboard. It takes a lot longer to make each duct, but I won’t have to worry about them falling apart in ten years. The last thing I want is to have to do ANY of this work again. 😉

I’ve been spending a lot of time inside this cabinet

Inside and aft is where the bilge vent duct goes

The round pipe is the bilge blower outlet. The starboard salon rear duct was completely rotted out, so I’ll have to make the whole thing.

1/4″ marine ply and solid mahogany duct boards

That ought to work

Looks good

Test fit the plywood panels

Chris Craft ran the ducts just down to the salon floor, and they didn’t seal the edges of the plywood floor there. So when rain, spray, or water from washing the boat went down the ducts, it would seep into the edge of the plywood. The wood was slightly soft in spots but otherwise in pretty good shape, so I saturated the area with epoxy until it wouldn’t soak up anymore. I’m also running the ducts all the way to the bottom of the floor frames, so water will drop straight into the bilge. I’m hopeful this will fully resolve all of the problems with Chris Craft’s approach.

The top edge needs trimming to match the angle of the deck

EZ-One track saw makes it easy to cut panels at odd angles

Test fit looks good

Screw holes got drilled and countersunk

Marked off and ready for epoxy

Cutting the fiberglass for the duct cover panel

Wetted out with epoxy, then topped with epoxy glue thickened with wood flour

Screwed together and clamped square

The duct cover panel is behind the duct, wetted out with epoxy and topped with a fiberglass layer. Once the epoxy cures, I’ll put a layer of fiberglass inside the duct and it will be ready for assembly.

Next up in our 1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: The Starboard Salon Aft Bilge Vent Duct II

1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: Installing The Last Port Salon Vent Panels

One by one, I’m getting the salon wall panels and vents installed.

Port-side plywood panels

The last bilge vent chute needs to be installed at the corner of the salon, in the upper  left corner of this pic.

The vent chute will go in the corner

Sikaflex 291 seals all seams

Lots of welds here, where I need to attach the vent chute

It looks like somebody mis-cut the aluminum gusset here, then they welded in wedges to bring the top edge of the gusset up to the correct deck level. But the welds make it difficult to attach mahogany solid stock that the bilge vent chute will attach to.

Original 1969 cabinet part will be recycled into a vent chute

This is one of many parts of the boat I kept when we dismantled the boat in 2008 because the wood was still in good shape. There’s always a question about whether it’s worth storing parts like this, since they take up space. It turns out this one was worth keeping.

The EZ-One track saw is perfect for cleaning up rough plank edges

Looking good

Cut to fit the hull and frames

Router removed 3/16″ of mahogany to make space for the gusset welds

Epoxy sealed and screwed in place

Sikaflex tube failure

I cut and epoxy sealed the 1/4″ Douglas fir marine plywood vent chute panel a few weeks back, but it was so cold it took ten days for the epoxy to finally cure. I’m using Sikaflex to seal up the joint between the “walls” of the bilge vent chute and the plywood face panel. I used up the last of the black Sikaflex 291 sealant and reached for a tube of 291 LOT that I’d last used six months ago. I gave the tube a squeeze and it felt pliable, which told me air hadn’t gotten inside the tube and caused the sealant to cure. But when I put it in the gun and tried to squeeze out a bead, nothing came out. I ran a metal probe down the nozzle, and wet sealant came out. So I removed the tube from the gun and noticed that the bottom half of the tube wasn’t pliable.

Hmmmm.

The piston seal had leaked air

Half of the tube had hardened on the bottom end, so I used a squeegee to apply the rest along the contact points for the bilge vent chute plywood panel.

Pretty!

The view up the vent chute

There’s good Sikaflex squeeze-out along the joints  in the pic above, so I don’t expect water will be able to get in and rot any of the wood. The green light above is 3M 233+ tape that closes up the hole in the mahogany toe rail that runs around the deck. Any water that happens to come in through the vent will find nothing but epoxy, sealant, and bitumastic-sealed aluminum all the way to the bilge. It’s been time consuming doing it this way, but this is a much better approach than the painted pressboard that Chris Craft used.

Port salon bilge vent chute is done

That’s a wrap for the salon bilge/engine room vents on the port side. The salon below-deck wall panels are sealed and insulated on the backside. To complete the insulated envelope in the salon, next I’ll put insulated panels in as a sort of ceiling below the side deck along all of these wall panels I’ve been installing.

Sorry…that’s a very contorted sentence, but I don’t know how else to describe what goes in next. Pictures in my next post will make it all clear.

Next up in our 1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 Refit: Cutting and Fitting More Port Salon Panels